GTI at classic car sales

anaconda · Post by **anaconda** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:51 pm

Defender110 wrote:
anaconda wrote:plip?
Central locking remote button thingy!

Surely thats a CLRBT!

Mickey taker · Post by **Mickey taker** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:07 pm

no its a plip

Puts Locks In Place

BX Meteor · Post by **BX Meteor** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:06 pm

So if it is worth that money, why is no-one here going to buy it ?

And if no-one here is going to buy it, then where is the market that will ?

QED

If it comes with 400 spare plips then it might be worth buying, assuming I can then sell each plip for £1 at a car boot sale

MULLEY · Post by **MULLEY** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:30 pm

BX Meteor wrote:
MULLEY wrote:I sold my 8v for £950, so that level of price seems to be consistent for that type of car. Mine did drive really nicely & was quick, i still miss that car as it was fun to drive.
when was that though (year/month) ?

About 1.5 years ago.

Post by **Defender110** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:36 pm

BX Meteor wrote:So if it is worth that money, why is no-one here going to buy it ?

Because we all have BX's already, Simples!

BX Meteor · Post by **BX Meteor** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:40 pm

MULLEY wrote:
BX Meteor wrote:
MULLEY wrote:I sold my 8v for £950, so that level of price seems to be consistent for that type of car. Mine did drive really nicely & was quick, i still miss that car as it was fun to drive.
when was that though (year/month) ?
About 1.5 years ago.

so spring of 2010, spring is the best time to sell most things, and petrol cars were selling better in 2010 than this year.

I have a BX petrol, I now wish it were a TD instead.

IMO petrol cars will start to meet a slow death, because cc for cc, modern TD's are gaining the upper hand over petrols on BHP and MPG. Even older TD's are worth having.

I have had my 2004 Honda Accord 2.4 petrol since 2006, 190 BHP, but I would not take on a recently made diesel car with same size engine, and I cry when I think they get better MPG anyway

MULLEY · Post by **MULLEY** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:44 pm

Not sure about older petrol cars dying a death, modern diesels are hellishly complex & the high pressure systems frequently go wrong & are expensive to fix. So yes, a modern diesel has the same power as an older petrol car & does more miles to the gallon, but if it keeps breaking down & costing a fortune to get plugged in to find the problem & then fix it, petrol motors could find a re-surgence

Post by **Defender110** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:45 pm

anaconda wrote:
Defender110 wrote:
anaconda wrote:plip?
Central locking remote button thingy!

Surely thats a CLRBT!

Thats the one! I have a CLRBT on my TZD that only works well if you point it forwards through the O/S rear passenger window, not throught the rear screen & not through the drivers window or the windscreen which are nearer to the reciever???????

Des Smith · Post by **Des Smith** » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:54 pm

BX Meteor wrote: I cry when I think they get better MPG anyway

Obviously more sense than money???

See threads elsewhere on this site for the decaying remains of a bitter fight to the death by the petrolheads vs the oilburners.

It's what you're used to, in'it?

BX Meteor · Post by **BX Meteor** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:09 am

MULLEY wrote:Not sure about older petrol cars dying a death, modern diesels are hellishly complex & the high pressure systems frequently go wrong & are expensive to fix. So yes, a modern diesel has the same power as an older petrol car & does more miles to the gallon, but if it keeps breaking down & costing a fortune to get plugged in to find the problem & then fix it, petrol motors could find a re-surgence

I also have a 1952 Daimler Consort 2.5 straight six (petrol of course). Absolute flat out top speed 80mph, but should not cruise over 50mph, and at steady long journey clogging up slow lane on motorway at 40mph returns 20mpg. Now no-one would want to buy such a car and use it every day on those figures. I am thinking of putting a diesel engine into it so that I could use it more often.

My 1.6 BX does about 30 mpg at 80mph on its speedo (if you check BX speedo's they read 10% fast), and no-one would buy car like that on that mpg. However my Honda also does 30mpg at 75mph (its speedo is 5% fast).

Energy prices are going up and this will not stop, hence an increasing market for diesels (whatever year) and a decreasing market for petrols (whatever year).

IMO several people are confusing the market for cars that sit in the garage and hardly ever get used, with the market for cars that do not sit in the garage and get used more often. IMO the BX is still in the latter category, we will have to wait another 10years until the BX gets into the former category ....and by then electric vehicles will be more common-place so the market for petrol vehicles of any category will shrink even more.

On that basis, I am stuck with 3 petrol cars !!

PS DES SMITH... I didn't know these "wars" already existed on this site, gulp

BX Meteor · Post by **BX Meteor** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:14 am

Defender110 wrote:
BX Meteor wrote:So if it is worth that money, why is no-one here going to buy it ?
Because we all have BX's already, Simples!

Exactly my point, so there is no market for that car in this club, reducing the market size by, say, 50% ???

Mike E (uk) · Post by **Mike E (uk)** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:23 am

Without the turbo, the oil burners would be quite slow.

If a Petrol car has a turbo, it will have much more power than the same capacity turbo D.

A non turbo Petrol car is a far simpler engine than a modern turbo D.

The improvement in economy given by TDs is one reason why the price at the pumps has gone so high, as the cost has been increased to compensate-by the oil companys & HM govt.

Mulley has a point, but new cars are commonly bought with fuel economy in mind, so I expect petrol cars will become rarer.
Any problems with faults will probably be suffered by the 2nd owner.

The more mainstream manufacturers have dropped their 6 cylinder petrol models. If you want a new petrol 6, you have to buy Porsche or BMW etc.

I would not be surprised if Citroen soon stop using petrol engines altogether, except perhaps in the little C1.

Upmarket sports cars will use petrol for years to come.

Mike

PS
It's cheap to run an electric car today, but
I predict there will be lots of dissapointed electric car owners in the future, when the cost of charging their car is the same as a tank of oil.
The UK government relies on fuel dutys, it will never allow as to drive around almost for free.

BX Meteor · Post by **BX Meteor** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:27 am

I like that, sounds a better way of saying what I am trying to say.

(slight point though, a turbo on a diesel does not affect mpg the same way a turbo does on a petrol, because TD's give more air when AFR does not have to be fixed, whereas AFR is fixed on a SI engine)

EDIT ...PS also ....not sure how it can get as expensive to charge a car as a tank of oil, unless Smart Grid comes, then we might get charged by appliance anyway. Main point of electric vehicle is that if electricity comes from sustainable sources then energy requirements for all our needs are less affected by price hikes

Mike E (uk) · Post by **Mike E (uk)** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:06 am

If the govt cannot charge you enough for fuelling your car, they will simply switch to road pricing.

The money has to come from somewhere, they will say.

Mike

Post by **mat_fenwick** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:43 am

Defender110 wrote: Thats the one! I have a CLRBT on my TZD that only works well if you point it forwards through the O/S rear passenger window, not throught the rear screen & not through the drivers window or the windscreen which are nearer to the reciever???????

That's probably because the angle of the glass deflects the IR beam slightly. I think you also get more reflection back from the glass when at an angle, reducing the strength.

The remote was invented by Paul Lipschutz, hence the name. Not from the noise some cars make when locking!